What Is Jacob’s Trouble in End Times Prophecy?

Genesis 32 is the story of Jacob’s return to Canaan after having been exiled from his homeland for 20 years. This is often referred to as Jacob’s Trouble (from Jer 30:7). His exile occurred after he obtained his divinely promised birthright through shrewd if not unscrupulous means from his brother Esau resulting in his having to flee Canaan for fear of his life due to Esau’s vengeance. Jacob found refuge in the region of Babylonia at his Uncle Laban’s home where he married Laban’s two daughters, Leah and Rachel. Genesis 32 recounts Jacob’s encounter with Esau who, along with his small army, physically stood in Jacob’s way from entering the land of his promised inheritance—later to be known as the land of Israel or Promised Land.

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The Jewish sages believe that this encounter between Jacob and Esau is prophetic in nature and will happen again in the end times, but this time on a much larger scale and this time involving the numerous descendants of Israel and Esau. The Israelites will be attempting to return to their ancestral homeland, while the descendants of Esau will be attempting to block their way. As we proceed in this study, we will see whether this prophecy is beginning to come to pass in our days.

Rolling the film backwards a little, Laban had chased Jacob out of the area of Babylon, and yet Jacob was being blocked from entering Canaan by Esau (or Edom meaning “red”). This is reminiscent of Pharaoh chasing the Israelites out of Egypt only to find themselves blocked by the Red Sea, which is a picture of Edom (meaning “red”). In both instances, YHVH’s people were forced to totally rely on him for deliverance from their enemies who were before and behind them.

Chapter 32 is a study in how we often deal with major trials and stressful situations in life. Jacob (a) was gripped by fear, (b) resorted to fleshly schemes to appease his brother’s wrath and “to save his own hide” and that of his family, and (c) at the same time he expressed faith in YHVH by uttering what some consider to be the first prayer in Scripture (verses 9–12). Jacob resorted to the “shotgun approach.” He was afraid, he schemed, and he prayed in hopes that something would work out to his favor and that he would live to see another day.

Jacob figured that by bribing angry and bloodthirsty Esau with wave after wave of gifts, that he might appease Esau and assuage his brother’s desire for revenge (Gen 32:13–20).

Yet Jacob’s half in-the-flesh and half-in-the-spirit approach to his present danger by resorting to both appeasement and prayer was not acceptable to YHVH who wanted in Jacob a man of unmitigated faith. To bring Jacob to this point, a part of Jacob had to die. His reliance upon his own ability at craftiness and scheming to extricate himself from difficult situations had to stay on the east side of the Jordan where Babylon (a spiritual metaphor for the old spiritual man and the ungodly ways of this world) was, and in its place a spiritual man who would totally trust YHVH in all things had to rise up. Only a mighty man of faith would be worthy to enter the Promised Land. The old man would not die without a fight, however.

Jacob had to come to grips with his own limitations and overcome the ugly side of his flesh nature. This occurred during a dark-night-of-the-soul-encounter when he wrestled all night with the Messenger of Elohim (Gen 32:22–32).

The result was that in the struggle Jacob became permanently lame in his hip (Gen 32:32). He became physically injured, but more importantly, he became humbled in his heart. Out of the wrestling match, he gained a new identity, a new heart and a new name. Jacob the “heal catcher” became Israel “the prince of El [God].” By wrestling with and overcoming his own limitations he became a broken and changed man—truly a vessel that YHVH could use to further his purposes, since YHVH was about to birth the nation of Israel through this man’s seed.

Jacob’s attempts at appeasing Esau gained him nothing except a lighter pocket book. His surrendering to the Messenger of Elohim—the preincarnate Yeshua—gained him not only the Promised Land and a nation, but the whole world and a place in YHVH’s eternal kingdom.

Interestingly, in an attempt to save his hide, Jacob divided his family into two camps with the hopes that if Esau killed one, the other would survive and vice versa. This was another one of his schemes that did not work, but which has tremendous end-time prophetic implications. Genesis 32:2 records that Jacob called the name of the place where he split his family into two camps Mahanaim, which is a Hebrew word meaning “two camps” and is the plural of the root word machanah meaning “encampment, camp, camp of armed host, army camp, company, body of people.” This spot is near the River Jabok, which is a tributary to the Jordan River located on the east side of that river in the modern country of Jordan. During the time of the nation of ancient Israel, it was located in the Gilead region on either the border between Gad and Reuben or Gad and Ephraim. The Song of Solomon makes reference to mahanaim in 6:13 where we read,

Return, return, O Shulamite; return, return, that we may look upon you. What will you see in the Shulamite? As it were the company/m’kolah of two armies/mahanah.

The Hebrew word m’kolah means “dance.” Song 6:13 is definitely related to Genesis 32:2 since Mahanaim in -Genesis and Machneh or “two armies” in the Song of Solomon are the same word; the former is the plural and the latter is the root word.

We believe that Genesis 32 is a prophetic shadow-picture of just how Jacob’s descendants will come back into the land of their inheritance prior to Yeshua’s return. The people of Israel will be divided into two camps as they enter the land of Israel and will have to confront Esau or Edom—many of whose descendants comprise the modern Palestinian-Arabs who will be blocking the way. Both camps (Judah and Ephraim, currently represented by the Jewish and Christians peoples) are returning out of spiritual Babylon (as per Rev 18:4) where they have been in servitude to the Babylonian world system even as Jacob was a servant to Laban (who lived in the area of ancient Babylon). They will not defeat Esau through appeasement (Gen 32:20) as Jacob tried to do with Esau. Appeasement got Jacob nowhere except monetarily poorer, and the modern state of Israeli is dealing with the Palestinians as Jacob did with Esau by giving in to their demands in exchange for a peaceful existence in the land. Appeasement didn’t work for Jacob, and it’s not presently working for the Jews.

As our father Jacob did, so the end-time Israelites will have to wrestle with man and El (Gen 32:28) in order to return to the Promised Land. YHVH’s people will have to prevail with YHVH and demonstrate to him that they are serious about wanting to possess their promised inheritance, and at the same time, overcome themselves (the carnal man within) with their pride and self-reliance, and the notion that they will return to the land of Israel by their own strength and prowess apart from YHVH’s divine direction and empowerment.

When YHVH’s end-time people will repent of their pride and die to “self” as a people-group (both Judah and Ephraim), this will please the Father and he will give his people victory over their enemies. Appeasing the enemy, as the modern Israeli government is currently doing with the Palestinians, will get them nowhere, even as it gained Jacob nothing. They/we must confront the devil/enemy head-on in humble faith in the Abrahamic Covenant promises of YHVH. As with Jacob, they/we as collective Israel need to spend a dark night of the soul wrestling with YHVH. We need to get a good look at Elohim’s face to see who he really is, which will in turn help them/us to understand who they/we really are. Only when they/we are finally humbled, will we learn to place our trust in the promises and protection of YHVH resulting in our being transformed from being a Jacob (meaning “heel catcher, supplanter, a deceptive sneak thief”) into an Israel (meaning “a prince of El or prevailer with El”) with a new name and identity.

Similarly, Messianic Israel/Ephraim must go through the same process. The good news is that the kingdom of Israel will rise up. Jacob will get transformed into Israel. How can we be so sure of this? Because IT IS WRITTEN in YHVH’s Word! The two houses of Israel will have to learn to dance with each other before they can dance on their wedding day with King Shlomo (or Solomon, which is derived from the Hebrew word shalom)/Yeshua Sar Shalom (Prince of Peace)—their heavenly Bridegroom. Only then can we become the bride of Yeshua—like the Shulamite (also from shalom) was to Solomon—when we have found peace within ourselves and each other as the Song of Solomon (shalom) and Genesis 32 depict.

Jacob’s trouble was a phase through which the self-confident and self-reliant Jacob had to go. The humbling of Jacob was necessary, for he was a self-made man who had started 20 years earlier penniless, homeless and in disgrace as an exile in a foreign land, and through his own effort had now amassed a small fortune along with wives and children.

En route westward back to Canaan, Jacob went through a wilderness experience, as the children of his namesake would do several generations later. What type of individuals does YHVH not permit and permit to enter into the land of promise? The answers are in Hebrews 4:1–11 where the writer speaks of doubt and unbelief, faithlessness, hardness of heart and not resting in YHVH, but reliance in the works of our flesh instead as factors keeping the Israelites out of the Promised Land. To come home, like the prodigal son in the parable of Yeshua, to the home of his earthly parents and to that of his Heavenly Father (Beth-el or House of El) what was required of Jacob? He had to manifest brokenness, humility, a new identity, repentance, and make restitution for past sins committed against others (Gen 34).

End-time Israel is following in their father Jacob’s footsteps leaving their exile and captivity in Babylon (false religious systems—both Christian and Jewish, which contain a mixture of both good and evil, see Rev 18:4), returning westward across the Jordan River into the land of promise, to their spiritual inheritance, which is defined in terms of YHVH’s covenants with Israel (Eph 2:12–14). YHVH is calling out a growing remnant of redeemed believers to do just that in our time. Jacob’s life is a prophetic road map of what each individual believer must go through to obtain his spiritual inheritance. Furthermore, Jacob’s life is not only a prophetic picture of what all Israelites individually must experience, but also of what all Israel collectively or nationally, must go through.

 

17 thoughts on “What Is Jacob’s Trouble in End Times Prophecy?

  1. “…. in order to return to the Promised Land. YHVH’s people will have to prevail with YHVH and demonstrate to him that they are serious about wanting to possess their promised inheritance, and at the same time, overcome themselves (the carnal man within) with their pride and self-reliance, and the notion that they will return to the land of Israel by their own strength and prowess apart from YHVH’s divine direction and empowerment…..”

    Eze 20:35 and I will bring you into the wilderness of the peoples, and there will I enter into judgment with you face to face.
    Eze 20:36 Like as I entered into judgment with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I enter into judgment with you, says the Lord GOD.
    Eze 20:37 I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant;
    Eze 20:38 and I will purge out from among you the rebels, and those who disobey against me; I will bring them forth out of the land where they live, but they shall not enter into Eretz-Israel: and you shall know that I am the LORD.

  2. Very interesting! So now, do we look at our own lives and see the same pattern? All we have gone through and how we were humbled to find our only Hope is in Adonai?
    (Insert) Isaiah 44 5, says we can take the sur -name of Israel. Praise be to our Yahweh for His Mercy unto us all, as we see we have gone to Bable at one time or other in our lives.

    Love this story, it has so many different angles to it!

  3. “…So now, do we look at our own lives and see the same pattern? …”

    JoAnn, if you are not “seeing” a coming event[second exodus out of “Egypt”] with you and your family participating physically in this event you are in for a big surprise.

    Jer 16:14 Therefore behold, the days come, says the LORD, that it shall no more be said, As the LORD lives, who brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
    Jer 16:15 but, As the LORD lives, who brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the countries where he had driven them. I will bring them …>again>>>

    1Co 10:1 Now I would not have you ignorant, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
    1Co 10:2 and were all immersed into Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
    1Co 10:3 and all ate the same spiritual food;
    1Co 10:4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of a spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Messiah.
    1Co 10:5 However with most of them, God was not well pleased, for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
    1Co 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
    1Co 10:7 Neither be idolaters, as some of them were. As it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.”[1]
    1Co 10:8 Neither let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them committed, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell.
    1Co 10:9 Neither let us test the Lord, as some of them tested, and perished by the serpents.
    1Co 10:10 Neither grumble, as some of them also grumbled, and perished by the destroyer.
    1Co 10:11 NOW ALL THESE THINGS HAPPENED TO THEM BY WAY OF EXAMPLE, AND THEY WERE WRITTEN FOR OUR ADMONITION, ON WHOM THE ENDS OF THE AGES HAVE COME.

    Shalom YoAnn
    Rob[SouthAfrica]

  4. But, alas[used to express grief, pity, or concern.];>

    Isa 10:21 A remnant will return, even the remnant of Jacob, to the mighty God.
    Isa 10:22 For though your people, Israel, are like the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will return. A destruction is determined, overflowing with righteousness.

    Rom 9:27 Isaiah cries concerning Israel,
    “If the number of the children of Israel are as the sand of the sea,
    it is the remnant who will be saved

    Pity? Yes surely as 99.99% of my family think I am crazy.

  5. So Natan, do you not think it might be prudent[adjective: prudent acting with or showing care and thought for the future.] to work on a teaching for those of us believing in the coming exodus on how to prepare physically for this event?

    Reading your/this teaching[What Is Jacob’s Trouble in End Times Prophecy?] has made me realise that “bugging in” is completely the wrong way to prepare and that “bugging out” will be the way to go.

    Unfortunately with my study of the American economic collapse , Most American people are preparing to “Bug inn”/dig in on their properties.

    Natan?

    Shalom
    Rob[SouthAfrica]

    • As I see it, bugging in or bugging out is irrelevant to the second exodus, which largely occurs after the second coming of Yeshua ONLY after Babylon the Great has fallen by the hand of Yeshua at his coming.

      As for the wilderness of the peoples/3 1/2 years time in the wilderness (assuming they’re the same event, although they may not be), preparedness is always a good thing, and I advocate this. You never know when the electric grid will go down, or when a natural disaster or some other emergency will occur. But my life and time aren’t consumed by emergency preparedness. To do so is likely to be motivated out of fear rather than faith.

      When the time comes to flee, if it does (e.g. during the first half of YHVH’s wrath when the woman flees into the wilderness for 3 1/2 year), where to? Don’t know. Stay close to Yah, hear is voice and he will direct you. That’s all I can say. I’m not doing what some ministries are doing —— selling plots of land out somewhere on a mountainside or in a swamp hoping to make money off of people’s fears. Shame on them for this! Love, follow and obey Yeshua the Lamb. The rest will take care of itself.

  6. If one applies Hebraic circular reasoning instead of Linear Greek reasoning, here is what Jacobs trouble will be like:

    Eze 7:1 Moreover the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
    Eze 7:2 You, son of man, thus says the Lord GOD to Eretz-Israel, An end: the end has come on the four corners of the land.
    Eze 7:3 NOW IS THE END ON YOU, and I will send my anger on you, and will judge you according to your ways; and I will bring on you all your abominations.
    Eze 7:5 Thus says the Lord GOD: An evil, an only evil; behold, it comes.
    Eze 7:6 An END HAS COME, THE END HAS COME; it awakes against you; behold, it comes.
    Eze 7:7 YOUR DOOM HAS COME TO YOU, inhabitant of the land: the time has come, the day is near, a day of tumult, and not of joyful shouting, on the mountains.
    Eze 7:8 Now will I shortly pour out my WRATH on you, and accomplish my anger against you, and will judge you according to your ways; and I will bring on you all your abominations.
    Eze 7:10 Behold, the day, behold, it comes: your doom is gone forth;………..
    Eze 7:12 THE TIME HAS COME, the day draws near:…………..
    Eze 7:14 They have blown the shofar, and have made all ready; but none goes to the battle; for MY WRATH is on all its multitude.
    Eze 7:15 The sword is outside, and the pestilence and the famine within: he who is in the field shall die with the sword: AND HE WHO IS IN THE CITY, famine and pestilence shall devour him.
    Eze 7:16 But those of those WHO ESCAPE SHALL ESCAPE, and SHALL BE ON THE MOUNTAINS like doves of the valleys, all of them moaning, every one in his iniquity.
    Eze 7:19 They SHALL CAST THEIR SILVER IN THE STREETS, and THEIR GOLD SHALL BE AS AN UNCLEAN THING; their SILVER and their GOLD SHALL NOT BE ABLE TO DELIVER THEM IN THE DAY OF THE WRATH of the LORD: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels; because it has been the stumbling block of their iniquity.

    Eze 7:24 Therefore I will bring the worst of the nations, AND THEY SHALL POSSESS THEIR HOUSES:….

    Eze 7:25 Destruction comes; and they shall seek peace, and there shall be none……….

    Shalom
    Rob[SouthAfrica]

    • A brief comment on Greek vs. Hebraic thinking/logic, if I may.

      The Bible employs both cyclical and linear reasoning. I resist using the term circular reasoning since in modern parlance, this implies lack of logic. Hebraic though is not illogical in the least.

      Hebraic thought is linear in that it’s forward thinking in its prophetic nature, and at the same time cyclical, for within that timeline history tends to repeat itself over and over again (e.g., the cyclical nature of some prophetic scenarios, or the repetitive nature of Israel’s redemption cycles).

      Graphically, I would liken the Bible to a time line comprised of spirals (like an ascending spiral staircase) moving upward.

      Too often, people who are returning to the Hebrew roots of the Christian faith reject Greco-Western Roman syllogistic thinking in favor of Hebraic block logic. It’s the old scenario of throwing out the baby with the bath water. Both approaches are important, though, but the Bible, being Hebraic, primarily employs the latter over the former, and we need to understand it to rightly divide the word of Elohim. Paul, being trained in both Hebraic and Greek cultures, used both forms, for example, in the Epistle to the Romans, since he was reaching out to both Jews and Greeks/Romans. He was skilled at using the right bait for the right fish. He was all things to all people to win them to Messiah. So he was conversant in and employed both forms of logic, and so should we!

  7. “…..Graphically, I would liken the Bible to a time line comprised of spirals (like an ascending spiral staircase) moving upward…..”

    Perfect, Natan.

    Now, could you apply this Spherical reasoning to the following verses:

    Eze 7:16 But those of those WHO ESCAPE SHALL ESCAPE, and SHALL BE ON THE MOUNTAINS like doves of the valleys, all of them moaning, every one in his iniquity.
    Eze 7:19 They SHALL CAST THEIR SILVER IN THE STREETS, and THEIR GOLD SHALL BE AS AN UNCLEAN THING; their SILVER and their GOLD SHALL NOT BE ABLE TO DELIVER THEM IN THE DAY OF THE WRATH of the LORD: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels; because it has been the stumbling block of their iniquity.
    Eze 7:24 Therefore I will bring the worst of the nations, AND THEY SHALL POSSESS THEIR HOUSES:….

    You mention Paul/Shaul, Let us “see” what he has to say about the coming exodus; may it be that he is trying to tell us what to expect? Now read carefully>

    1Co 10:1 Now I WOULD NOT HAVE YOU IGNORANT, BROTHERS, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
    1Co 10:2 and were all immersed into Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
    1Co 10:3 and all ate the same spiritual food;
    1Co 10:4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of a spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Messiah.
    1Co 10:5 However with most of them, God was not well pleased, for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
    1Co 10:6 Now THESE THINGS WERE OUR EXAMPLES, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
    1Co 10:7 NEITHER be idolaters, as some of them were. As it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.”[1]
    1Co 10:8 NEITHER let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them committed, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell.
    1Co 10:9 NEITHER let us test the Lord, as some of them tested, and perished by the serpents.
    1Co 10:10 NEITHER grumble, as some of them also grumbled, and perished by the destroyer.
    1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened to them BY WAY OF EXAMPLE, and they were written FOR OUR admonition, ON WHOM THE ENDS OF THE AGES HAVE COME.

    What I read here above is that Paul/Shaul is saying is that the Greater exodus will be EXACTLY the same as the first exodus and we ON WHOM THE ENDS OF THE AGES HAVE COME, will go through exactly the same trials[a test of the performance, qualities, or suitability of someone or something] as they did…>on the way to the promised Land.

    So first we will have to go through/to a PHYSICAL “wilderness of the people” where Yeshua will cleanse us as He did with Jacob.

    Then……..>He will take us to the Promised Land……> “Raptured” perhaps?

    My problem is that teachers are NOT preparing “their” congregations for this coming event to be a PHYSICAL event.

    Natan, could you perhaps explain how you “see” this coming “wilderness of the people”?

    Shalom
    Rob[SouthAfrica]

    • “Natan, could you perhaps explain how you “see” this coming ‘wilderness of the people’?”

      I see the outline, but not the details. Stay close to YHVH-Yeshua, and when the time comes you’ll be ready and will know what to do. That’s all I can tell you.

      Seldom do people fully understand Bible prophecy before it happens. Most don’t even after it happens. Divine revelation is a gift from Elohim given to those who have a heart of obedience and are seeking to understand. I walk in faith, not in fear, so I’m not overly concerned to know all the details. We must be occupying at this movement until he comes. Tomorrow will take care of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

  8. “….Seldom do people fully understand Bible prophecy before it happens. Most don’t even after it happens….”

    They were supposed to know with His first coming and sadly they will miss His second coming as well.

    5 foolish virgins were waiting for the coming of their Husband along with the 5 wise…..Why do you think the 5 foolish were not fully prepared?

    So sad.

    Shalom
    Rob[SouthAfrica]

    • Agreed on all points.

      The five foolish virgins were foolish because they lacked oil in their lamps. Oil is a Hebraism for Torah and the Holy Spirit. The Torah is light and truth and is the heart, character, mind and will of Elohim, which the foolish virgins either lacked sort were deficient in. This is a picture of most in the mainstream church today who are more in tune with religious traditions and doctrines of men then they are with the Word of Elohim. They think they know Yeshua (the Living Torah-Word of Elohim), but they really don’t know him, or at best have a skewed view of him. It is the Holy Spirit who leads us into all truth, writes the Torah in our hearts, aids us in obeying Yeshua’s Torah-Word, and brings all things from Yeshua to our remembrance and tells us things to come. If we either haven’t got oil in our lamp, or insufficient oil, we’ll not be ready when Yeshua the Bridegroom comes.

      The purpose of our ministry is to help prepare people to be ready for Yeshua, by having the oil of YHVH’s Word and Spirit in their lamps. We do our best, but I wish we could do so much more. If we all do our parts, perhaps it’ll make a difference!

  9. Our Father even had to make Ezekiel an example/sign of HOW the house of Israel had to go into exile as it seems they did not understand ………..or want to understand?

    Spherical reasoning…?

    The word of ADONAI came to me:

    Human being, you are living among a rebellious people. They have eyes that can see, but they don’t take notice; and they have ears that can hear, but they don’t pay attention; because they are a rebellious people.

    So you, human being, prepare supplies for exile; and during the daytime, as they watch, go away as if you were going into exile – leave your place, and go somewhere else as they watch. PERHAPS THEY WILL TAKE NOTICE, even though they are a rebellious house.

    Bring out your belongings during the day while they watch, as supplies for exile; and you yourself, while they watch, are to leave as people do who are going into exile.

    While they watch, you are to SHOULDER YOUR PACK and carry it out into the dark………..

    …………..for I am making you a sign for the house of Isra’el.”

    Human being, the house of Isra’el, that rebellious house, has asked you what you are doing.

    Say: ‘I am a sign for you. As I have done, so will it be done to them – they will go into exile, into captivity.

    Shalom
    Rob[SouthAfrica]

    • If this is what YHVH has told you to do, then you need to obey him. So far, he hasn’t told me to do this, though I’m listening and ready to obey him should he tell me this.

  10. “….If we all do our parts, perhaps it’ll make a difference!…”

    SELAH !

    [The Amplified Bible translates selah as “pause, and think of that.”-Selah notes a break in the song and as such is similar in purpose to Amen in that it stresses the importance of the preceding passage.]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selah

    Shalom
    Rob[SouthAfrica]

  11. GREATER EXODUS: Noah Style or Lot Style?

    “…..Yeshua was alluding to the actions of Noah and the actions of Lot to help give us the insight as to which attitude we must have to best serve our God, ourselves and the future of the world at the time when we exodus from our homes, our livelihoods AND from unbelieving family and friends…..”

    “….Nowhere does Yeshua recount in His parable that the five wise virgins hesitated, hoping that the five foolish virgins would catch up and join them…..”

    “….How can we remain obedient (like Noah) and not foolishly block our God with actions resulting from looking at everything according to our point of view just as Lot did?….”

    [Sorry, I had to delete the website link, since I can’t post links to other ministry’s websites unless I know and approve of the ministry beforehand. It’s called spiritual housekeeping — or being a careful shepherd — Natan]

    Hopefully this website gives an interesting perspective to also take into account, whilst contemplating what lies ahead for us in this coming great event.

    Shalom
    Rob[SouthAfrica]

    • “…..[Sorry, I had to delete the website link, since I can’t post links to other ministry’s websites unless I know and approve of the ministry beforehand. It’s called spiritual housekeeping — or being a careful shepherd — Natan]….”

      No problem Natan, I will wait for you to inspect the website and for you to then place the link back again so that we can discuss the content.

      Shalom
      Rob[SouthAfrica]

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