{"id":20554,"date":"2022-08-27T19:40:12","date_gmt":"2022-08-28T02:40:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/?p=20554"},"modified":"2022-08-27T19:40:32","modified_gmt":"2022-08-28T02:40:32","slug":"my-thunderbird-tee-shirt-explained","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/2022\/08\/27\/my-thunderbird-tee-shirt-explained\/","title":{"rendered":"My Thunderbird Tee-Shirt Explained"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1000\" height=\"750\" src=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/Thunderbird.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-20556\" srcset=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/Thunderbird.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/Thunderbird-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/Thunderbird-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/Thunderbird-400x300.jpg 400w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-drop-cap wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Several people have had some questions<\/strong> about a tee-shirt I was wearing during a recent video I made with an embroidered  thunderbird on it. One person expressed legitimate concern about my wearing an image of what they took to be an idol\u2014something Scripture forbids. Actually, the thunderbird image is not an idol but, as far as I know, a non-religious, symbolic artistic depiction of heaven. Let me explain.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I purchased the tee shirt on my recent trip to Alaska. This was my fifth trip to that state. On the shirt is some native art from the Tlingit Indians picturing the mythical thunderbird, which is similar to an eagle. In my trips to Alaska, I have studied Tlingit art, talked to Tlingit natives and inquired about their beliefs and spiritual practices. The thunderbird (look it up oh Wikipedia), was not an object of worship but rather was a mythical creature (like sasquatch\/Big Foot, the Loch Ness monster, the abominable snowman, the Phoenix bird, the biblical Leviathan and the unicorn, or the griffen or winged lion (which is a representation of the Cherubim in the throne room of Elohim). Moreover, the thunderbird (not an object of worship) represented the good powers of heaven, while in other native cultures the the great horned serpent represented the lower powers of darkness, hell or Satan (now that\u2019s one tee shirt that I would never wear!).\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Moreover, the Tlingit art (like all of the art of the coastal indigenous peoples of the NW Pacific coast including Canada, Washington state and Oregon\u2014where I live) is a highly stylized art that looks pagan but is not. These are highly caricaturized pictures of animals such as whales, ravens, eagles and salmon that represented their nation, clans, subclans. My wearing a thunderbird is no different than wearing a stylized eagle, which is a patriotic representation of America, since the eagle symbolizes America. Since I am an artist, I like artistic things, and I like native art (as long as it\u2019s not pagan), since it often represents natural elements in YHVH\u2019s creation (such as wind, rain, fire, trees, mountains and sky, earth, etc.) in a stylized way. I rather think that YHVH was keen on symbolic art himself. For example, look at all of the implements in the Tabernacle of Moses. They are are symbolic of many things!!!! Since I am an outdoorsman and make my living working with trees and plants and have spent much time in the forests and mountains, I tend to like things that depict or symbolize natural elements or aspects of YHVH\u2019s creation. After all, doesn\u2019t Romans 1:20 tell us that by his creation, which points to him, we understand his invisible attributes?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">One more thing. Even the Christian cross is a pagan symbol going back to sun god worship, but now is a symbol for Christianity. I tend to think that the cross symbol goes back, potentially, to the Paleo-Hebrew letter tav which may mean \u201csign of the covenant\u201d. So we potentially have a good symbol that was taken over by the pagans and corrupted as part of their idolatry, then they crucified Yeshua on their altar to their sun god, and now it\u2019s a Christian symbol. What came first, the chicken or the egg? You see, symbologies can be complicated, since our world is full of them, and many of our words we speak, clothes we wear, things we eat, cultural practices and traditions come out of ancient paganism. Whole books have been written about this, and some Torah-minded people in their search for truth tend to get overly hung-up on this and begin to get legalistic and start judging others on what they say or do. (Look at some of the extremists in the sacred names movement where you\u2019re forbidden to say \u201cJesus\u201d or even have a Bible that has \u201cJesus\u201d or \u201cGod\u201d or \u201cLord\u201d in it. As one can see, we want to avoid any pagan symbology that is overtly pagan, but to avoid it all we\u2019d have to live naked in the woods and speak our own invented language, right?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">When I was living in Europe, I knew a man in my church who hated organ music because it reminded him of the Catholic Church that he came out of. Does that mean the organ and its music is an evil because it&#8217;s associated with Roman Catholicism? There was another man who criticized me for wearing a red carnation in the lapel of my suit because this happened to be the symbol of the French communist party. So now we can&#8217;t listen to organ music and have red carnations??!!! It goes on and on!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I pray that this addresses the issue satisfactorily.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Here are some other examples of Tlingit (as all as art from other Pacific Northwest coastal tribes, which is part of the native cultural tradition in the area where I live) artistic depictions of Pacific Northwest coastal animals. This art may not be your cup of tea, but I rather like some of  it. Different strokes for different folks!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1018\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/tumblr_nk2clyI8yj1t51cv6o10_r4_1280-2408048075-1018x1024.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-20557\" srcset=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/tumblr_nk2clyI8yj1t51cv6o10_r4_1280-2408048075-1018x1024.jpeg 1018w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/tumblr_nk2clyI8yj1t51cv6o10_r4_1280-2408048075-298x300.jpeg 298w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/tumblr_nk2clyI8yj1t51cv6o10_r4_1280-2408048075-150x150.jpeg 150w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/tumblr_nk2clyI8yj1t51cv6o10_r4_1280-2408048075-768x772.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/tumblr_nk2clyI8yj1t51cv6o10_r4_1280-2408048075.jpeg 1280w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1018px) 100vw, 1018px\" \/><figcaption>Whales<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1023\" height=\"937\" src=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/2245005222_79e0061929_b-764208289.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-20558\" srcset=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/2245005222_79e0061929_b-764208289.jpeg 1023w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/2245005222_79e0061929_b-764208289-300x275.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/2245005222_79e0061929_b-764208289-768x703.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/2245005222_79e0061929_b-764208289-328x300.jpeg 328w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1023px) 100vw, 1023px\" \/><figcaption>Some seals<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"640\" height=\"606\" src=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/9854713545_d17cd7abeb_o_d-2085587181.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-20559\" srcset=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/9854713545_d17cd7abeb_o_d-2085587181.jpeg 640w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/9854713545_d17cd7abeb_o_d-2085587181-300x284.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/9854713545_d17cd7abeb_o_d-2085587181-317x300.jpeg 317w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><figcaption>A bear<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"640\" height=\"625\" src=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/9854690074_c40fa74b8f_z-1809435311.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-20560\" srcset=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/9854690074_c40fa74b8f_z-1809435311.jpeg 640w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/9854690074_c40fa74b8f_z-1809435311-300x293.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/9854690074_c40fa74b8f_z-1809435311-307x300.jpeg 307w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><figcaption>A raven and whale<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"640\" height=\"297\" src=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/9854779983_fcb52efcee_z.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-20561\" srcset=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/9854779983_fcb52efcee_z.jpg 640w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/9854779983_fcb52efcee_z-300x139.jpg 300w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/9854779983_fcb52efcee_z-500x232.jpg 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><figcaption>a fox or wolf?<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"567\" height=\"640\" src=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/9854710675_19c9eeb62d_z.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-20562\" srcset=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/9854710675_19c9eeb62d_z.jpg 567w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/9854710675_19c9eeb62d_z-266x300.jpg 266w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 567px) 100vw, 567px\" \/><figcaption>An eagle<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"474\" height=\"476\" src=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/th-1454597052.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-20563\" srcset=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/th-1454597052.jpeg 474w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/th-1454597052-300x300.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/th-1454597052-150x150.jpeg 150w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/th-1454597052-299x300.jpeg 299w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 474px) 100vw, 474px\" \/><figcaption>A salmon and a whale or two whales, not sure.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"960\" height=\"718\" src=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/whale-33817_960_720-1858628980.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-20564\" srcset=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/whale-33817_960_720-1858628980.png 960w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/whale-33817_960_720-1858628980-300x224.png 300w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/whale-33817_960_720-1858628980-768x574.png 768w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/whale-33817_960_720-1858628980-401x300.png 401w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 960px) 100vw, 960px\" \/><figcaption>Another whale<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"500\" height=\"438\" src=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/4865596452_a57e3a5435-2860835262.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-20565\" srcset=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/4865596452_a57e3a5435-2860835262.jpeg 500w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/4865596452_a57e3a5435-2860835262-300x263.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/4865596452_a57e3a5435-2860835262-342x300.jpeg 342w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><figcaption>A beaver?<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"474\" height=\"479\" src=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/th-1860664758.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-20566\" srcset=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/th-1860664758.jpeg 474w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/th-1860664758-297x300.jpeg 297w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 474px) 100vw, 474px\" \/><figcaption>Another raven<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"537\" height=\"788\" src=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/5a95b63182247a8679fe4daeb071d90c-3583699639.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-20567\" srcset=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/5a95b63182247a8679fe4daeb071d90c-3583699639.jpeg 537w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/5a95b63182247a8679fe4daeb071d90c-3583699639-204x300.jpeg 204w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 537px) 100vw, 537px\" \/><figcaption>Obviously a turtle<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"474\" height=\"348\" src=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/th-3262316330.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-20568\" srcset=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/th-3262316330.jpeg 474w, https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/th-3262316330-300x220.jpeg 300w, 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One person expressed legitimate concern about my wearing an image of what they took to be &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/2022\/08\/27\/my-thunderbird-tee-shirt-explained\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[8],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-20554","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-scripture"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.4 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>My Thunderbird Tee-Shirt Explained | Hoshana Rabbah Blog<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/2022\/08\/27\/my-thunderbird-tee-shirt-explained\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"My Thunderbird Tee-Shirt Explained | Hoshana Rabbah Blog\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Several people have had some questions about a tee-shirt I was wearing during a recent video I made with an embroidered thunderbird on it. 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