{"id":10883,"date":"2017-06-08T07:45:14","date_gmt":"2017-06-08T14:45:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/?p=10883"},"modified":"2017-06-08T07:59:07","modified_gmt":"2017-06-08T14:59:07","slug":"angels-or-the-saints","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/2017\/06\/08\/angels-or-the-saints\/","title":{"rendered":"Angels or the Saints?"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"\">\n<div id=\"attachment_10884\" style=\"width: 760px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/2017\/06\/08\/angels-or-the-saints\/jacobs-ladder-2-2\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-10884\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-10884\" class=\"size-full wp-image-10884\" src=\"https:\/\/hoshanarabbah.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/Jacobs-ladder-2.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"750\" height=\"462\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-10884\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Are the &#8220;angels&#8221; Jacob saw in his dream angels or the saints?<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"\">I received the following question from S.P. in Owego, NY about something I wrote\u00a0in\u00a0a recent blog post. Here&#8217;s the question.<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">We read your blog of Happy Shavuot 2017. Great Article and agree how important it is to continue to go higher in our relationship with YHVH Elohim!<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">The following is from the section labeled &#8220;Following the\u00a0Glory Cloud Onward and Upward&#8221;:<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span class=\"\" style=\"color: #0000ff;\">&#8220;The angels or, more correctly, the messengers going up and down that ladder that Jacob saw in his dream are the glorified bride-saints of Yeshua, who will be ruling and reigning with Yeshua from the New Jerusalem over his millennial kingdom.&#8221;<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Would you be able to give us some references as to how you know that the angels going up and down the ladder are the glorified saints and that they are ruling and reigning with Yeshua from the New Jerusalem over his millennial kingdom?<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"\">\n<div class=\"\">\n<div class=\"\" dir=\"ltr\">Here&#8217;s my answer:<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" dir=\"ltr\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"\" dir=\"ltr\">\n<div class=\"\">The word \u201cangels\u201d in reference to Jacob\u2019s dream is the Hebrew word malak which simple means \u201cmessenger.\u201d It can be a divine messenger such as an angel, or it can refer to the preincarnate Yeshua who is referred to in our poorly translated English Bible numerous times as \u201cthe Angel of the LORD\/YHVH.\u201d Obviously, Yeshua is not an angel in the traditional meaning of the word. He is, however, the messenger of \u00a0Elohim as the Word of Elohim sent to man. So angel simply means messenger. It can even be a human messenger as well.<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"\">Now go to John 1:51 where Yeshua says that the angels of Elohim are descending on the Son of Man\u2014that\u2019s Yeshua. From this we know that the ladder that Jacob saw was a metaphor for Yeshua who is the way of salvaston. He is the way to the Father. We must go through him to come to the Father. This is how we gain salvation. This obviously applies to humans, not to angels. The word for angels in John 1:51 is the Greek word angelos which is equivalent in meaning to the Hebrew word malak. It can mean a human messenger as well as an angelic one. From Yeshua\u2019s statement, we know that it has to be referring to the saints who are YHVH\u2019s messengers to the world. This, in my opinion, based on good evidence, is what Jacob saw.<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"\">To take this one step further, in the book of Revelation, there is strong evidence that the New Jerusalem will be hovering over the earth during the millennium. If this is the case, this will the habitation of King Yeshua who will be ruling the \u00a0earth. The glorified saints will be kings and priests helping Yeshua to rule and as such will to likely going to and from earth to the NJ to receive instructions and teachings from Yeshua which they will then come back to earth to implement during their millennial reign of the humans living on the earth at this time. I believe that this is what Jacob saw in his prophetic dream. This all may seem a bit suppositional to some, but it makes sense to me when we put all the pieces together.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"\">Here is a link to an article I wrote on Jacob&#8217;s ladder dream and its spiritual and prophetic implications for those who want to go real deep on this fascinating subject:\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.hoshanarabbah.org\/pdfs\/ladder.pdf\">https:\/\/www.hoshanarabbah.org\/pdfs\/ladder.pdf<\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\">Sorry for the paragraph spacing issues in this blog. 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