Natan Responds to Brainwashed, Stiff-necked Christians

This is the Bible version that most Christians follow. It is NOT the Holy Bible, but the Holey Bible, Swiss Cheese Version, that is, one with holes in it for all the pages they rip out of the Word of Elohim and claim are not for them!

Some years ago, I made a sermon video on the importance of NOT profaning the seventh day Sabbath. You can find it on the Hoshana Rabbah YouTube channel and at and at the end of this article. Here are some comments from two “Christians” who claim to be Bible believers and then make every excuse why they do not believe what it says to do. This is not only sad, but rather sickening. Yet such a mindset with regard to the clear Word of Elohim is not only commonplace among members of mainstream churchianity, but has been institutionalized theologically. For these folks, the clear Truth of the Bible is a lie and the lie of manmade traditions and doctrines has become the truth. Both Yeshua and Isaiah said it well:

“For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men—the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition.…making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.” (Mark 7:8, 9, 13)

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! (Isa 5:20)

Please note: The names have been changed for obvious reasons and for effect.

Pat Smugly: The sabbath was never about a “day” but pointing to a “greater rest” found in the finished work of Jesus. (Hebrews 4:9ff) Colossians 2 and Romans 14 are clear that the observance of Sabbath’s and old covenant feast days is null and void now because we have entered into lasting rest in Christ. (Galatians 3:16-29)

Natan Lawrence: Incorrect. You reveal an incomplete understanding of the full counsel of YHVH’s Word from Genesis to Revelation. Instead, you have bought into the propaganda of the mainstream church instead of studying this subject out for yourself. I challenge you to study this subject out with an open heart, open mind in front of an open Bible instead of getting your information from second hand sources, or by cherry-picking a few verses out of the Bible out of context. The Bible presents the truth of the Sabbath at several levels all of which are true at the same time. For example, the Creator sanctified the seventh day Sabbath (and no other day), made it a command to do (one which he never rescinded), and is a practice that Yeshua and the apostles obeyed (and we are to follow their example). Moreover, the Sabbath points to our resting in Yeshua’s “finished work”, but in no way frees us to violate it any more than we are free to violate the other commands of Elohim (e.g. thou shalt not murder, lie, covet, commit adultery, etc., etc.). The Sabbath also prophetically points to the seventh millennia (i.e. the Millennium) when the earth and it’s inhabitants will be a rest from the evil and anti-commandment influences of the devil under the rulership of King Yeshua. The Sabbath is a commanded invitation (called a divine appointment or moed in Hebrew) from a loving Creator to meet with him and his people on this day, and for his people to hang out with each other as well in an atmosphere of love, peace, learning, fellowship, praise and worship free of the weekly rigors and stresses we typically have to deal with the other six work days of the week. What could possible be so wrong with this? Why is there so much antagonism and hatred for the Sabbath by so many people who claim to be followers of Yeshua who said, “If you love me, keep my commandments” (John 14:15). Instead of just talking about loving him by throwing our emotions at him and then doing the opposite of what he did or tells us to do, how about doing what he did and what he told us to do for a change? Stop believing the lies you have been taught by your denomination and start obeying Yeshua and his word. Amein!

Pat Smugly: Hoshana Rabbah You may call it propaganda, but you shared no scripture whereas I shared three for consideration. Galatians 3 being the most explicit. Oh, and Romans 3:21-28 is abundantly clear and Romans 7:1-6. But no worries, John 16:13 has a way of coming true and God’s Spirit will lead and guide into all truth if we are teachable. (Hebrews 12:18-24).

Natan Lawrence: This is the comments section. Not the Bible teaching section of my YouTube channel. If you want Scriptures, simply begin watching the nearly 300 videos that I have placed on this channel. Most of them are mine. You'll get thousands of Bible verses addressing nearly every subject in the Bbile. With all due respect, anyone can cherry pick out the Bible verse or two and like a drive-by shorter, fire them out of their theological gun at someone to "prove their point." Most Christians have a two or three pet verses that they use like silver bullets that supposedly answer every question. When I do a Bible teaching, I typically read every verse in the Bible on that subject before opening my mouth. There isn't room in the comments section for this sort of thing. So don't ask me to do it. If you are truly a truth seeker and you want my answer to your question, go watch my video series on the book of Galatians and then get back to me. Also watch my numerous videos on the Sabbath and go to my website and read my articles on the subject. This is just the beginning. BTW, I do all the original research on all of my articles, write them and publish them. I know this material well and know all the arguments pro and con on nearly every subject. These will be taken into consideration in my teachings, thus answering most if not all of your questions. Happy truth seeking! Blessings!

Luke Warm: I don’t “hate” the Sabbath, but I keep it on Sundays and so are my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ who are regenerate and bearing good fruit by the Holy Spirit. So my question is, if I don’t repent of worshipping on Sundays, I am in sin and if I were to die, I’d be cut off from eternal life to be damned forever?

Natan Lawrence: Do you want to follow the Word of God/Elohim or the traditions of men that are contrary to the Word of God/Elohim? Give me one verse from the Bible/the Word of God/Elohim where he commands men to rests on the first day of the week and calls it the Sabbath. You have to settle in your heart whether you are obeying the Word of Elohim or twisting it to fit your own manmade interpretations. I am not your judge, and cannot answer questions about your eternal fate. The Word of Elohim is our judge. Elohim will determine the eternal fate of each of us. I am, however, very concerned for someone when they have been presented with biblical Truth and refuse to obey it. At this point, they can no longer plead ignorance, for they have been shown the light of Truth, and are now responsible for the actions and the court of heaven will hold them accountable accordingly. At the tree of knowledge, the snake in the tree questioned the clear word of Elohim to the first humans and basically told them they didn’t really have to obey the Creator’s commandments. Sounds to me like you’re basically repeating the same lie of the devil and have convinced yourself that disobeying Elohim’s commands is okay and it the truth. The problem is that it’s YOUR truth, but not the Truth, or Elohim’s Truth. Look, I’m not judging you, but the Word of Elohim will as to how closely you’re following biblical Truth now that you have been presented with the truth. If you loved the Truth of Elohim, then you’d be honoring the seventh day Sabbath and obeying his commands to rest on that day. Sadly, you’ve convinced yourself otherwise because you’re listening to the liars in the pulpit who are listening to the snake in the tree when it comes to the Sabbath. Now that I’ve held the mirror up to your face so that you can see clearly what you’re doing, what are you going to do about it? Continue in your rebellion against the clear Word of Elohim, or repent of your sin which is the violation of Elohim’s commandments (1 John 3:4)? The choice is yours.

Luke Warm: Hoshana Rabbah I do follow the word of God. Been researching and studying for the past decade and came to many objections on these messianic teachings. Biblically as well. I don’t believe I am in sin, because I do keep the Sabbath with my family. Everything I do ain’t perfect, but my trust, hope and faith lies in Jesus Christ. Been a believer not as long as you, but there is evidence of saving faith in my life through God’s sovereign work in my heart and circumstances. I do study biblically and like you, am seeking to please God through His word. I understood everything you’ve said and presented very much. I’ve in times past, encountered so many like you. I’ve also watched so many of your videos, which honestly are very great material. But like you said, every “movement” has contributed in times past to reveal truths. Some good and some bad, eat the meat and spit out the bones. We are all fallen and imperfect this side of heaven. So whatever truths you share, I am willing to take some and throw out the rest that aren’t biblical. Just like you do with everything you learn about; sources and people. There are so many faithful teachers and preachers out there expounding the word of God biblically and tirelessly. Sin and judgement, the nature of God and His attributes. Especially dying for the Gospel of Jesus Christ which is at the center of everything we live for. It’s His Gospel and atoning work on the cross that has compelled me to believe what I believe. Jesus Christ being the son of God, was slaughtered by His Father which pleased Him, for the remission of sins. Vindicated Himself by rising from the grave and who is now at the right hand of the Father. Through faith in Him, the offspring of Abraham, whom we have become part of God’s family. We now live in that kingdom to the glory of God forever.

Natan Lawrence: Thank you for giving me the perfect verbiage explaining why the mainstream Christians church is spiritually impotent and failing to make its mark on our society for the kingdom of Elohim. It has elevated the mind of man over the clear Word of Elohim and exchanging biblical Truth for manmade traditions and calling it Truth. This is called secular humanism. I will be able to use your comments in an article I am writing on another site as a warning to those who are prone to twist the Word of Elohim to make it fit their lawless and rebellious heart attitudes. As the Bible says,
 The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it? (Jer 17:9)

For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. (Rom 8:6–7)


12 thoughts on “Natan Responds to Brainwashed, Stiff-necked Christians

  1. I think LukeWarm made a couple very interesting statements, off topic though they were, that sounded rather blasphemous…as follows…”Jesus Christ being the son of God, was slaughtered by His Father which pleased Him…. Vindicated Himself by rising from the grave….”

    …. Christ was “slaughtered by His Father which pleased Him”? First, It was the Jews (people) aligned with Satan’s will who slaughtered Yeshua. Second, he implies that JHVH was ‘pleased’ or happy about this…which the bible does not speak to.

    Then stated “Vindicated Himself by rising from the grave..”…’Vindicated himself? To whom? By ‘rising from the grave’ as it would seem ‘by His own will’ Christ rose from the grave? By the definition of the word vindicate he is saying that Yeshua was “shown or proven to be right, reasonable, or justified” by raising himself up…as if his sinless life and status as the Son of God were not enough… Was it not tby the power of the Father that the Son was raised up? …

    and the statements, taken together would seem to indicate that the Father and Son were not ‘of one mind’ over Yeshua’s death and resurrection…even at odds with each other.

    This is a very twisted view of Yeshua’s death and resurrection.

    Me thinks, at best, the lad mis-spoke horribly if not blasphemously.

  2. sABBAth-Abba=Daddy! Many years ago I invited a friend to a seminar that culminated in the truth of the Sabbath-her response was “I love my church, I have been going there for 30 years, I have my own seat, I don’t see any reson to change now!” Clearly she has a “I” problem. I told her to tell Him that, not me. Interestingly, her church fell apart and a smaller group now meets in a rented room on Shabbat! (not that they are actually keeping it) “Of you don’t behave as you believe, you’ll end up believing as you behave” and that’s a quote from catholic bishop Fulton Sheen! Seems Constatine was cross-eyed!

      • John, what a sweet thing to say-all glory to YHVH-how are you doing? Regards to Sonja!

  3. Hebrews 4:9 has a play on words about rest. It ties in the Sabbath rest into the permanent rest offered by Yeshua in His kingdom for His people. We are to “labor” to enter His rest. In this life, effort and labor is required to live the way of YHVH. Yeshua is Master of the Sabbath, Mark 2:27 -28. HE created it as a sign between Him and His people.

    • I am so very excited! Natan, I just sent you a recent disocvery from Miles Jones, that in the Hebrew gospel of Matthew 5 verse 17 the script reads NOT fulfill but UPHOLD! Wow! People (erroneously) think fulfill means to nullify, abolish or do away with. NO! and here the word UPHOLD is used correctly. “I AM (ELOHIM!) not come to destroy but to UPHOLD.” I AM SO EXCITED! 🙂

      • I agree, Carol. The word ‘uphold’ can’t be twisted as easily as the word ‘fulfilled’. It is very exciting indeed when one discovers another manuscript that brings more clarity.
        By the way, John’s eyesight is still poor, but he gets around without a stick now and has been cutting firewood. Praise the Lord!
        Love to you, Sonja & John

  4. very interesting that I just sent a warning last night to my five brothers and three adult children, all Sunday-keeping Christians, with this very same message:

    Though there remains a Sabbath for the people of God, just as there remains a death penalty for everyone who profanes the Sabbath by working on and not keeping the seventh day set apart, which is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord, and to be observed as a covenant and a sign forever, Messiah‘s life was given as a ransom for all who will confess and turn from their sin, put their trust in him, and bear fruit in keeping with their repentance for falling short and sinning against the Lord by not keeping His holy day set apart.

    Exo 31:12  And the LORD said to Moses,
    Exo 31:13  “You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, ‘Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the LORD, sanctify you.
    Exo 31:14  You shall keep the Sabbath, because it is holy for you. Everyone who profanes it shall be put to death. Whoever does any work on it, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
    Exo 31:15  Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death.
    Exo 31:16  Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a covenant forever.
    Exo 31:17  It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’”

    Are we not the lost sheep of the house of Israel for whom Messiah only came to save? Are not those who believe in him grafted into the commonwealth of Israel? Is He not the one of whom we say, “Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, even the King of Israel!”?

    So let us, his chosen people, his royal priesthood, his holy nation, give thanks for the sacrifice of Messiah, and let us confess and repent, put our trust in him, and bear fruit in keeping with repentance. Let us keep our covenant with him by keeping the seventh day Sabbath holy and let it be a sign between him and all his people that we are in Messiah, the Lord of the Sabbath.

    Shalom, shalom.

  5. My take on the Sabbath is the fact that the day of worship was changed by sun worshippers who were the rulers of the day. It was not changed by God
    Secondly, those who worship on Sundays do not see the need to set the day apart on the thought that Grace dictates it all. Their thinking is “By Grace we worship on the day we choose and we also choose how to worship”
    Thirdly, in my estimation most Sabbath keepers focus on the day and not see the real significance of assembling on the day.

    I assemble and set aside the day because I cannot see how I can get around it. In the same way grace cannot condone murder, grace cannot condone changing any of the original 10 commandments and creating our own laws according to our convenience.

    So by grace, the pope can now change the wording of the Lord’s Prayer and other parts of the Bible

    This all comes down to our misunderstanding of that Most Powerful Attribute of YHWH-Grace.

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