Luke 11:13, Good gifts…. Some people are concerned that when they received the baptism of the Spirit of Elohim (Set-Apart Spirit or Ruach haKadosh) in a their church, they may have received an evil counterfeit spirit instead. I asked myself this same question some 20 years ago when I first learned about the demonic Hindu kundalini spirit. YHVH was gracious enough to give me the answer to the question at that time, and I have been going strong and operating in the gifts of his Spirit ever since without fear.
Remember this. Satan has counterfeited nearly everything that is biblical in his demonic false religions including the gifts of the Set-Apart Spirit. Because of this, some people have walked away from the gifts of the Spirit and have taken what’s called a cessationist viewpoint in that they believe the gifts of the Spirit are no longer for us today. This is a reactionary view that is not supported scripturally. It’s a spiritual cop-out. I used to believe this until I got so hungry for more of Yeshua and so sick of dead religion that as I was crying out for him one night while worshipping and praising Yeshua, he baptized me in his Ruach about three decades ago. I was in my living room when this glorious experience happened and had never been in a Spirit-filled (Pentecostal or Charismatic) church in my lift up to that point.
Yeshua told us to judge with righteous judgment to determine if something is good or bad (John 7:24). How do we do this? By examining the fruits of something (Matt 7:15–20). Do they line up with the Word of Elohim? When operating in the gifts of the Spirit including the gift of speaking in tongues, what are the fruits? Are they the fruit of the Spirit as outlined in Gal 5:22–25 and not the works of the flesh (Gal 5:19–21)? Does it bring you closer to Yeshua? Does it result in praise, worship and the glorification of Elohim? Does it edify and build us up in our spirit man? Does it promote holiness and righteousness? If yes, then this it is a good thing. If not, then it’s from another source. Satan isn’t going to give us anything that expands the kingdom of Elohim at his expense and promotes our spiritual well-being before YHVH.
Twenty years ago YHVH told me that if I loved Yeshua by walking faithfully in his Torah commandments that this would keep me on the straight and narrow path and that I wouldn’t be deceived or led into some spiritual counterfeit. You see, Torah is both a fence and a guardrail. It’s a fence that protects us by keeping the spiritual predators out, but it’s also a guardrail that keep us on the road of life and prevents us from going off the edge and over the cliff spiritually.
I suspect that some in the church world have picked up a kundalini spirit not because they were seeking Yeshua with all their hearts, but because they were seeking an experience. This is idolatry. When we seek anything other than Yeshua, especially supernatural experiences, we’ll get it, for sure, but it won’t be from the Ruach! When, on the other hand, we’re seeking Yeshua with all our heart to love and serve him as it says in Luke 11:9-13, he won’t give us a serpent or a stone (i.e. demonic counterfeit), but will give us good gifts. You can trust YHVH on this!!!!
Without the original the counterfeit is meaningless…all counterfeits must be rejected…
This is such a big subject…& one that needs wisdom…& true discernment that only the Ruach Ha Kodesh can bring..agree with u Natan on all the important points you have mentioned. …My 1st experience when I became born again as they say.(in July of 1991) .went forward @ an altar call confessed my sin and missing the mark so to speak. wept , tears of grief and tears of joy…such an overwhelming experience @ the time…it was in a mainstream Pentecostal church…( Sunday keeping) strong praise & worship…etc…water baptised a few months later & attended church regularly…for a long time in that particular church..until we moved house & relocated..but I distinctly remember the pastor of that church praying in tongues when he prayed with people. believers…I remember hearing it for the 1st time & it seemed to roll off his tongue….I thought @ the time that it sounded like something he could not make up but a spiritual gift..it was his prayer language to the Father….so we were taught in that particular church that praying in tongues was evidence of being baptised in the Holy Spirit…so we were taught to eagerly desire the spiritual gifts laid out in Corinthians.. etc…so I earnestly pursued reading the scriptures to understand the same…BUT I MUST ADMIT THAT 1ST EXPERIENCE OF HEARING THAT 1ST PASTOR STAYED IN MY MIND…I COULD NOT UNDERSTAND HIS PRAYER TONGUE but it was very gentle.
Thinking back …that to be truly baptised in the Spirit was so important…prayer language was like intercession etc….it was only later I started to think & realise it was something that one could not force or conjure up. Reading 1 Corinthians Chapter 12 verses 1- 17…much there..re Diversity and profit of divine gifts..(KJV.)
Pauls letters to the Church : assembly
…then reading 1 Corinthians Chapter 14 verses 1- 15 …again much contained in these verses..v1. .follow after charity & desire spiritual gifts..but rather that ye may prophesy…
verse 2 For he that speaks in an unknown tongue speaks not unto men, but unto God: for no man understands him; howbeit in the spirit he speaks mysteries.
verse 3 But he that prophesies speaks unto men to edification, & exhortation & comfort.
verse 4 he that speaks in an unknown tongue edifies himself; but he that prophesies edifies the church.
verse 5 I would that you all spoke with tongues, but rather that you prophesy;prophesied for greater is he that prophesies than he that speaks with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying…hmm ! so much here…etc to verse 27. ,28…
Now reading BOOK OF ACTS CHAPTER 2
AND when the day of Pentecost ( Shavuot) was fully come, they ( believers) were all with one accord (unity) in one place
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verse 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind., (Ruach ) & it filled all the house where they were sitting.
verse 3 .. there appeared unto them .cloven tongues like as of fire, & it sat upon each of them.
verse 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit ( Ruach) & began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. …..verses 5 & 6
verse 6 says; NOW WHEN THIS WAS NOISED ABROAD, THE MULTITUDE CAME TOGETHER, & WERE CONFOUNDED,BECAUSE THAT EVERY MAN HEARD THEM SPEAK IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE..
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VERSE 7. THEY WERE ALL AMAZED & MARVELLED, SAYING 1 TO ANOTHER,BEHOLD, ARE NOT ALL THESE WHICH SPEAK GALILEANS?…
verse 8. And how we hear every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born..?
verse 9. Par-thi-ans, and Medes, & El-amites & the dwellers in Mesopotamia & in Judea..& Cappadocia, in Pontus, & Asia…& verse 10. …..to verse 16.
BUT THIS IS THAT WHICH WAS SPOKEN BY THE PROPHET JOEL; VERSE 17 AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS IN THE LAST DAYS ,SAYS GOD ( ELOHIM) …He will pour out his Spirit upon all flesh..& your sons & your daughters will prophesy etc etc
so we have to look to the Biblical foundation of tongues…thinking re the languages given after the tower of Babel..when Elohim scattered men all over the earth.
. my apologies long….
But what exactly are you saying because nothing you have said has a conclusion.
Real Speaking in tongues is someone who doesn’t know another language but it makes sense what they are saying in other languages. A person speaking in tongues in a demonic nature can do the same thing except when someone is possessed what is coming out of their mouths is pure evil. I know someone with this gift and is not possessed or demonic. Their words are about holy messages in another language.
For people declaring you have these special gifts but you really don’t, you are the first that behave in awful ways when you meet someone that does. The person who really does also doesn’t have the luxury of having many friends ..they are often ridiculed, gossiped about and hated on.
Is sha from Elohim?
What??? Don’t understand the question.